What is Iran planning for Thursday?

[Jack Straw]

Khamenei, whose public statements should be taken seriously, is promising some sort of devastating “punch” against the West on Thursday the 11th, the same day as the Green Movement is calling for a monster protest against his regime.
What might he have in mind? I don’t know; they say a lot of things just for effect, but threats/promises from the supreme leader have a certain standing. If I were an Israeli official, I’d recheck my information on Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad.
Some think he’s preparing some kind of attack against Israel. Surely there has been no shortage in recent weeks of nasty language against the Jewish state. Here’s Foreign Minister Mottaki a day ago:
“Iran is facing a mad nation led by insane people. This is the reason why all of us in the region – in Syria, in Lebanon, and the Palestinians – must be prepared constantly for any crazy operation against us.”
Other Iranian leaders have spoken of the “inevitability” of Israel’s destruction. Maybe they have something in mind.
The other obvious possibility is that he’s ordered a massive, Chinese-style crackdown on the opposition. Since he believes that the opposition is foreign-based and foreign-controlled, a devastating massacre might count as a big “punch” to the West.
He’s totally obsessed with bringing an end to the protests, and the nightly chants of “Death to the Dictator” that haunt him so. In the last few days he’s been telephoning opposition journalists and intellectuals, telling them to give it up, and the preparations for the crackdown have gone so far as to replace the traditional plastic garbage cans in Tehran — in which demonstrators have been setting fires to combat tear gas — with metal ones. I don’t understand the point of that, but I’m sure it annoys the sanitation workers, who will now have to hoist much heavier containers.
Meanwhile, the purge of journalists and activists continues. Since June 12th, the regime has arrested slightly more than 11,000 people, more than 3,000 of whom are still in those nightmare cells. Executions continue at a regular tempo, as does torture.

The Greens expect the regime to go all out on Thursday. The leaders believe they will be arrested on Friday, and are prepared for it. In his recent interview Mousavi remarked that a large number of his best friends were in prison, and he was sad not to be with them.
He also said that the Green Movement did not depend on his leadership, or anyone else’s.
That theory may be about to be tested by Ali Khamenei, starting Thursday.

[STEED]

Way to catch em off guard...

[Jack Straw]

Tipping point in Iran. The regime is about to "break-out" with their nuke program with weaponization in short order. A super-majority of their population is under 30 and wants nothing more than to be free of the tyranny. It would be a miracle if the regime would fail. Israel is nothing if not competent and may strike shortly. My thoughts are with the youth of Iran.

[Wikeman]

Originally Posted by Jack Straw

Tipping point in Iran. The regime is about to "break-out" with their nuke program with weaponization in short order. A super-majority of their population is under 30 and wants nothing more than to be free of the tyranny. It would be a miracle if the regime would fail. Israel is nothing if not competent and may strike shortly. My thoughts are with the youth of Iran.

If your thoughts are with the youth of Iran, then at least don't cheer for Israel to attack.

Are you aware that Israel is a nuclear renegade nation which does not allow inspections of their nuclear facilities and arsenals, and which occupies foreign territory in violation of international law? Who are they to police Iran.

Iran is far from nuclear weapons, they don't even have a nuclear power plant yet, and the centrifuges they have are not sufficient to produce weapon grade plutonium.

There is no reason to sanction Iran at all. They voluntarily signed the non-proliferation treaty and allow inspections. Some nations, such as the US and Israel are not satisfied with their co-operation, but hey, that reminds me of how the same nations weren't satisfied with how Iraq co-operated with the UN weapons inspectors and started a war on false pretexts.

Besides, any regime in Iran, mullahs or not, could be legitimately interested in acquiring nuclear weapon as a protection. Look what happened to Irans neighbors: Irak, Afghanistan, Pakistan are all invaded or occupied.

The best way to prevent Iran from acquiring weapons in the long term is to give them a security guarantee against attacks from Israel and the U.S. and to help them with their nuclear energy program.

I hope that the green movement takes power in Iran,and I also hope that Iran is not invaded or sanctioned, because they don't deserve it. They have not attacked anyone, they have not even broken any treaties.

[Jack Straw]

Wow. Where in Europe do you reside? You definitely have the tone of an anti-semite, even a bit anti-USA. Clearly, not cheering for Israel to attack, but obviously protect themselves from the theocratic lunatics that daily call for its destruction. This regime has killed plenty of their own, Americans in Iraq and their proxies thousands more in Syria, Lebanon and Israel. They directly support the North Korea nuclear program, the destabilization of Venezuela and Bolivia. They are a positive pariah of freedom.

[pissflaps]

Wikeman, Don't believe for a minute that they don't have weapons grade uranium or plutonium. They can't make it, but that doesn't mean they didn't acquire some. I remember when Russia was going through their collapse some people in their military were dumping shit left and right, lots of stuff that can't be accounted for. These ding dongs think they have to have nuke's to protect themselves, treaties or not.

[Coverdatspred]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

If your thoughts are with the youth of Iran, then at least don't cheer for Israel to attack.

Are you aware that Israel is a nuclear renegade nation which does not allow inspections of their nuclear facilities and arsenals, and which occupies foreign territory in violation of international law? Who are they to police Iran.

Iran is far from nuclear weapons, they don't even have a nuclear power plant yet, and the centrifuges they have are not sufficient to produce weapon grade plutonium.

There is no reason to sanction Iran at all. They voluntarily signed the non-proliferation treaty and allow inspections. Some nations, such as the US and Israel are not satisfied with their co-operation, but hey, that reminds me of how the same nations weren't satisfied with how Iraq co-operated with the UN weapons inspectors and started a war on false pretexts.

Besides, any regime in Iran, mullahs or not, could be legitimately interested in acquiring nuclear weapon as a protection. Look what happened to Irans neighbors: Irak, Afghanistan, Pakistan are all invaded or occupied.

The best way to prevent Iran from acquiring weapons in the long term is to give them a security guarantee against attacks from Israel and the U.S. and to help them with their nuclear energy program.

I hope that the green movement takes power in Iran,and I also hope that Iran is not invaded or sanctioned, because they don't deserve it. They have not attacked anyone, they have not even broken any treaties.

Wow....Im speechless

[guaranteeed]

Israel doesn't police Iran. It protects itself from being blown to bits every fucking day

when a nation has repeated multilple times that it wants Israel to cease existence and has supported terrorist organizations who make it their goal to destroy Israel and it's civillians

than yes I think Israel has a right to stop said nation from developing nuclear weapons


You don't often hear an "Israel is evil" argument outside of neonazi literature and Hezbollah speeches

[Coverdatspred]

Originally Posted by guaranteeed

Israel doesn't police Iran. It protects itself from being blown to bits every fucking day

when a nation has repeated multilple times that it wants Israel to cease existence and has supported terrorist organizations who make it their goal to destroy Israel and it's civillians

than yes I think Israel has a right to stop said nation from developing nuclear weapons


You don't often hear an "Israel is evil" argument outside of neonazi literature and Hezbollah speeches

I feel as if whats coming next is the argument that the holocaust never happened.

[redbearde]

Originally Posted by Jack Straw

Khamenei, whose public statements should be taken seriously, is promising some sort of devastating “punch” against the West on Thursday the 11th, the same day as the Green Movement is calling for a monster protest against his regime.
What might he have in mind?

Iranian Mullah: Kill the Protesters

it's not exactly a secret...or without precedent.

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Police officers in Iran opened fire into crowds of protesters on Sunday, killing at least 10 people, witnesses and opposition Web sites said, in a day of chaotic street battles that threatened to deepen the country’s civil unrest.

[VK]

We have a great group here .....first pro-che and now this?? jesus christ.

[redbearde]

Originally Posted by vegaskyle

We have a great group here .....first pro-che and now this?? jesus christ.

didn't you know?

Che = George Washington and Abe Lincoln.

:vkshake:

[redbearde]

and der Juden killed him.

[sportjunky]

some israelis and some neocons talk constantly about bombing iran, taking "pre-emptive" action, etc... lets not pretend like Iran is the only side making threats in this conflict.

the only difference is Iran's threats are just noise. the country doesnt actually have the ability or the military means to seriously harm Israel. Israel on the other does hand clearly does have the ability to harm Iran.

[P-BoxNation]

Originally Posted by vegaskyle

We have a great group here .....first pro-che and now this?? jesus christ.

[Joe Public]

A super-majority of their population is under 30 and wants nothing more than to be free of the tyranny. It would be a miracle if the regime would fail.

This.

And it may be closer to reality than a miracle at this point. The power in Iran knows it's undermanned and on its way out, it's only a matter of time--and if they do something monumentally stupid before that time is up.

[VK]

Originally Posted by P-BoxNation

Waiting for the posts declaring the NKVD , Pinochet and Mao Zedong to be heroes and brilliant men.

[VK]

Just curious wikeman .... are you on the "No Fly List" by chance?

[Coverdatspred]

Originally Posted by vegaskyle

Just curious wikeman .... are you on the "No Fly List" by chance?

[Wikeman]

Originally Posted by vegaskyle

Just curious wikeman .... are you on the "No Fly List" by chance?

On the contrary, I am a pillar of society and a regular business traveller.

In an age of deception, saying the truth seems revolutionary.

[VK]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

On the contrary, I am a pillar of society and a regular business traveller.

In an age of deception, saying the truth seems revolutionary.

[HFamInc]

The only thing that we can be sure of is that it is history in the making.

"There will be more bloodshed than they expect, blood and revolution go hand and neck."

[Wikeman]

Originally Posted by vegaskyle

Just curious wikeman .... are you on the "No Fly List" by chance?

Speaking of the "No Fly List", I hope you realize that it is political persecution at an not so early stage. People with a different view from the rulers are blacklisted and get their movement restricted. Merely on suspicions, at the whim of a police state bureaucrat.

Do you know the book "1984"? If so, I'm not sure you understand it.

[guaranteeed]

Originally Posted by sportjunky

some israelis and some neocons talk constantly about bombing iran, taking "pre-emptive" action, etc... lets not pretend like Iran is the only side making threats in this conflict.

the only difference is Iran's threats are just noise. the country doesnt actually have the ability or the military means to seriously harm Israel. Israel on the other does hand clearly does have the ability to harm Iran.

Israel is a war zone, it is attacked almost every day by people who in many cases are funded/supported by Iran

any action Israel takes on Iran is not pre-emptive, Israel has been attacked more than any other state in the last 50 years, and it has won every conflict it was been in

any attack Israel felt necessary to take against Iran could be called a lot of things, pre-emptive is not one of them

Israel making threats against Iran is more than likely bringing some semblance of peace to the middle east. Israel has shown that when it talks it backs it up with force. So when Israel says if it feels threatened by Iran it won't hesitate to strike, Iran knows the consequences of its actions very well.

How anyone can see Israel being in the wrong here is unfathomable to me

[guaranteeed]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

Speaking of the "No Fly List", I hope you realize that it is political persecution at an not so early stage. People with a different view from the rulers are blacklisted and get their movement restricted. Merely on suspicions, at the whim of a police state bureaucrat.

Do you know the book "1984"? If so, I'm not sure you understand it.

one mans political persecution at a not so early stage is another mans attempt to keep dangerous idiots off of planes

you say tomehto and I say tomahto

[Coverdatspred]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

Speaking of the "No Fly List", I hope you realize that it is political persecution at an not so early stage. People with a different view from the rulers are blacklisted and get their movement restricted. Merely on suspicions, at the whim of a police state bureaucrat.

Do you know the book "1984"? If so, I'm not sure you understand it.

It just so happens that there is a direct correlation between the people you mention above and people who hijack and bomb airplanes.

[VK]

Look at the lengths Israel has to go to ensure as much safety as is possible. We are miles behind them in airport/airplane/travel safety.

Have to tip your hat to Israel. They have been kicking muslim extremist ass for a long time now, against all odds.

[VK]

In fact, Israel has kind of made the rest of the middle east their bitch.

[sportjunky]

Originally Posted by guaranteeed

Israel is a war zone, it is attacked almost every day by people who in many cases are funded/supported by Iran

any action Israel takes on Iran is not pre-emptive, Israel has been attacked more than any other state in the last 50 years, and it has won every conflict it was been in

any attack Israel felt necessary to take against Iran could be called a lot of things, pre-emptive is not one of them

Israel making threats against Iran is more than likely bringing some semblance of peace to the middle east. Israel has shown that when it talks it backs it up with force. So when Israel says if it feels threatened by Iran it won't hesitate to strike, Iran knows the consequences of its actions very well.

How anyone can see Israel being in the wrong here is unfathomable to me

well Israel has been wrong plenty of times. just look at the war crimes they commited in Gaza a year ago.

in this situation, youre right, israel has proven it will back up its threats with actions, so obviously Iran should just take those threats lying down. its not as tho theyre a sovereign country that is allowed to defend itself or anything


and israel bombing Iran would be the very definition of preemptive action. they'd be bombing for the purpose of getting rid of a potential threat on irans part. Iran right now isn't actually a military threat to israel.

[Wikeman]

Originally Posted by Coverdatspred

It just so happens that there is a direct correlation between the people you mention above and people who hijack and bomb airplanes.

Should I be on the No Fly List? Should members of, say, International Socialists? Should people of Arab descent? People of African descent? People who like guns?

What is your proof of correlation? Nowhere, it's bullshit. Besides the security controls are hopefully a pestilence that at least stops people with bombs or guns.

By the way, there is also another list. The No Pay List. Let's say that you are a political dissident. The government can stop your ability to pay, say, to a Leftist Party, to your family in Nigeria or whomever they think somehow associate with someone they arbitrarily placed on a terror list. Nelson Mandela was removed from the US terror list in 2008. How do you think it will work for normal people who are unjustly stigmatized?

[Jack Straw]

Wilkeman, just for context, where in Europe do you reside? Have you been persecuted by Americans? Where are you coming from?

As you most likely know, Freedom House, a nonpartisan organization annually lists all countries in their degree of relative freedom. Among countries whose populations are predominately (60%) Muslim, only remote Mali and tiny Benin were rated as "free". On a scale of 1 (Canada) to 7 (North Korea), no other Muslim country received a score better than 3 in political rights and 4 in civil liberties.

[guaranteeed]

So should there not be a no fly list Wikeman?

should the governments allow anyone on a plan that wants to be on a plane?

I love the no fly list, and I love the extra security at airports, I couldn't care less about spending 10 more minutes waiting to board a plane if it saves even 1 life over the next 50 years

[Wikeman]

Originally Posted by guaranteeed

So should there not be a no fly list Wikeman?

should the governments allow anyone on a plan that wants to be on a plane?

I love the no fly list, and I love the extra security at airports, I couldn't care less about spending 10 more minutes waiting to board a plane if it saves even 1 life over the next 50 years

There should certainly not be a No Fly List. Of course a person could still be searched more thoroughly if there is something suspicious. No Fly Lists do nothing good at all.

[guaranteeed]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

There should certainly not be a No Fly List. Of course a person could still be searched more thoroughly if there is something suspicious. No Fly Lists do nothing good at all.

so if intelligence shows someone to be a member of a terrorist organization or a criminal

they should be allowed to fly as long as they are checked out pre flight?

all that does is allow them to upgrade their technology and be able to cause terror every time they do so, because current technology won't stop their form of weapon to get on the plane

no fly lists are essential to the safety of 99.9999999999999999999999% of the population

[Wikeman]

Originally Posted by Jack Straw

Wilkeman, just for context, where in Europe do you reside? Have you been persecuted by Americans? Where are you coming from?

As you most likely know, Freedom House, a nonpartisan organization annually lists all countries in their degree of relative freedom. Among countries whose populations are predominately (60%) Muslim, only remote Mali and tiny Benin were rated as "free". On a scale of 1 (Canada) to 7 (North Korea), no other Muslim country received a score better than 3 in political rights and 4 in civil liberties.

Very strange how the debate suddenly has to be about my person instead of Iran.

Don't worry about me but discuss what I wrote about Iran in reply to your war mongering. Oh, and did you really call me an anti-semite???

"Nice" nick you have btw. Jack Straw, the minister who as U.K. home secretary overrode the English courts and let Pinochet escape justice.

[redbearde]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

There should certainly not be a No Fly List. Of course a person could still be searched more thoroughly if there is something suspicious. No Fly Lists do nothing good at all.

I agree with this. The hassles and irritations of flight "security" make flying too much trouble for me to bother with. I flew once since 9/11, and my wife and I were singled out for an Extremely Thorough Search. That was enough for me. I don't fly anymore. I'm not afraid of terrorists. I'm afraid of bitter high school drop outs working our security measures.

[redbearde]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

Very strange how the debate suddenly has to be about my person instead of Iran.

See, if you don't immediately spring to Israel's defense, you're an anti-semite, and then your opinions don't matter.

It's really effective.

[Jack Straw]

Originally Posted by Wikeman

Very strange how the debate suddenly has to be about my person instead of Iran.

Don't worry about me but discuss what I wrote about Iran in reply to your war mongering. Oh, and did you really call me an anti-semite???

"Nice" nick you have btw. Jack Straw, the minister who as U.K. home secretary overrode the English courts and let Pinochet escape justice.

For clarification, Jack Straw is one of my favorite tunes from the Grateful Dead.

However, Jack Straw and Tony Blair were a good team as far I'm concerned. I am not interested in war mongering, I am interested in the freedom of the repressed youth in Iran.

I am interested in your country because you mention Europe in your avatar and your responses strike me as European and your background would be germane to your points

Further, I consider myself well read, traveled, educated, yada, yada no genius mind you. However, I generally find that anyone than can be so dismissive of Israel, considering their last 60 years of treatment by initially some European countries and since the UN (I am sure you are a fan of this global force for good) granted them their present homeland, by the Arab community, one is either uninformed or biased. I'll give you some credit that you know the history so I assume you have some personal issues with Israel.

Also it is clear from your first post that you are against all USA military action, no matter the location, no matter the purpose. What's your deal? I doubt your from the UK because they are as realistic as any about terrorism. I hesitate to make a guess. I enjoy debating with European elitists.

[twinkie13]

[Jon84]

@Jack Straw, this should shed some light: http://www.cappingthegame.com/forum/...t=88018&page=4